What Could Have Been: a “True” 250cc Class
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- March 04 2009
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On the heels of MX Sport’s recent announcement that after careful deliberation, 250cc two-strokes will not be allowed to compete in this summer’s 250cc National Championship Series against 250cc four-strokes, we bring you this interesting video about what could have been.
Though the rule will be revisited in the future, once the CPSIA Lead Ban crisis is resolved, we can’t help but wonder what could have been this summer, had the rule been enacted.
Naturally, we filmed this video and worked on the content for a magazine feature when things looked good for the rule, and the information that lies in this video and in the magazine feature that will hit newsstands next month is both interesting and intriguing. Look to the May issue of TransWorld Motocross for tons of comparative information, including lap times from our test riders, Jason Lawrence and Travis Baker, as well as dynamometer readings, price comparisons, etc.
For now, though, enjoy the video; complete with the sweet ring-a-ding sound of a two-stroke 250 at full chat.
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March 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
that be cool to see J-Law or anyone on a two-stroke? still love that two-stroke sound…
March 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I have never once written anything back here on the blog’s for Transworldmotocross, but this video and idea really upsets me; allowing the 250 2-stroke to race against a lower horse power 250F just does not make sense!
Does this mean, CR500’s can race against the CRF450s?
March 4th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
braaaaap!
March 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
well i did have kx125 2-stroke and i raced against 250f and they 250f did pull away but 250 2stoke again 250f wouldnt be fair but now i got a 250f tobe even but it depends on rider most of time
March 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
listen to that two stroke! ahhh woderfull
March 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
You just gotta love the 2-stroke! Just to hear the sound makes me smile like a kid at christmas or something like that
March 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Great, now I won’t have enough money to race as many of the outdoor nationals as I planned on because now I have to dump a ton of money into a 250f to make it fast enough and keep up on the maintenance. Great job guys!!!
Try to make it a little harder for the privateers if you can please.
March 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Thank you
March 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
did any one else catch that he said the 250F was stoke but if you look, you can see an FMF system on it
March 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
I think an all 250 class is a great idea. I really hope the lead issue gets resolved soon and we get to see this new class take effect. I would also like to see more videos like this.
March 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
sauce51
i was thinking the same thing.
and yes it is so nice for them not letting the 2 smokes in, privateers have to dig deeper now, if they even can.
and about the 250 four stroke and 250 2 stroke not a fair comparison? there the same CC. but i guess a 250 4t and 125 2t is a fair comparison right?!?! wow
March 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
you mean kinda like how they let the higher power 450f (and even 550 monsters at one time!) race against the lower power 250 2-strokes…
i think it’s a viable rule. 250fs have gotten a lot more powerful and the horsepower gap between 4-strokes and 2-strokes is closing. maybe a 200 2-stroke against a 250f would be a little more fair, but then you’d be limited to only a KTM. i’d be curious to see what a 300 or 350 2-stroke would be like against a 450f.
March 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Well one way to look at it. Yes it does depend on the rider most definitely. Villopoto won the Motocross des Nations on a 250F against 450’s…. so why not? I’ve pulled a bunch of holeshots on 450’s and 250 2-strokes (though I’m not pro) but the point is; its fair.
March 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
or you could sell the 250f and get a lower maintenance 250 2-stroke. that’s if the rule passes.
March 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
i love my 08 yamaha 250 two stroke.. way faster than a 250 f ..kinda wacked out .. but baker needs to shift up!, power is all low to mid on a 250 two smoker. haha. i just dont like how sketchy my 250 2 stroke is compared to a four stroke..its a little swappy
March 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
I went to the Washougal Nationals in 2008 and watched the Amateur races and saw in like the 250 class there was a guy who was basically owning everyone that was on a four stroke and he was on a 2 stroke. So i think that two strokes definitely could win. It really just depends on the rider, usually.
March 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
i still perfer the sound of the 125’s, anyway i think this is a great idea, could mix up the results!
March 4th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I would say the difference of power between the 250f’s and the 250 two strokes is smaller than the difference between the 250 two strokes and the 450f’s. As well not needed things like an overhead cam makes the two strokes much lighter thus compensating for the lack of power compared to the 450s. I would say that if the manufacturers can pull ou that much horsepower from the 250f’s than maybe they should put some money into the two strokes and get their poney’s up. When you look at a bike like the YZ 125 and how light that thing is, if you had power to boot a 250f would find it pretty hard to keep up.
March 4th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
what were the times?
March 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I’d say get a 250 two stroke eh? Parts are a hell of a lot cheaper and theres a lot less to boot. On top of that, 2-strokes don’t enjoy blowing up as much.
March 4th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
sorry, I just reread and realized what side of the argument you were on.
March 4th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Good eye! For part of the magazine feature, we bolted FMF pipes on both bikes to see how much of an improvement they made.
March 4th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
ahhhhhhhh man miss that two-stroke smoke oh boy that would be sick to see j-law on a two smoker
March 4th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
coming from a harescramble/GNCC backround the 2-Strokes are still very much alive and will be used far after they become extinct. damn tree huggers. Also you cant beat that 2-Stroke Sound. BUUURAAAP!!
March 4th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
i love how right as swap says stock 250f i see the fmf pipe
March 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
this video is another good example of why I traded in my 250F for a RM250 2stroke. it is a million times better than any other bike and I have not regretted my decision once.
March 4th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
hahahaha
March 4th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
with the low weight of today’s four-strokes, the weight advantage of the 2-strokes hardly makes up for the 12 hp deficit.
March 4th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
The yz250 is superior to the yz 250f
March 4th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
how much of a difference did you get out of the bikes with the FMF? what pipes did you use?
March 4th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
remember when villo just spanked everyone at budds creek on his 250f? So where is your power argument?
March 4th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
the tests dont matter, take a stock two stroke vs a four stroke and work from there. i will say it over and over again, you put the right rider on the right bike, and no one will stop him. james stewart is living proof of that statement.
March 4th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
which is why the AMA needs to rethink its 2:1 advantage…
March 4th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
well what if you have a stock 250 2 stroke motor v. a mod 250f? now there is an idea
March 4th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Ya I don’t really think that Baker kid knows a whole lot, or he was just REALLY nerveous. Seriously watch the video again, he says something and then the exact opposite like three times. “I have never rode a 250 2 stroke” and then “uh yea I rode a 250 2 stroke last year” But yet he claims to know nothing about…..whatever I wont’ keep this going. That shit pisses me off, Yea the kid is fast but obviously pretty damn stupid. As for J law, you have really messed up dude, and there was a time when i didn’t give a shit about you, but your kinda going a good way now dude, I’m pulling for ya, ride a two stroke in the lites this year and kick the living shit out of everyone dude. you know you can, just keep your nose clean bro. Don’t let us down again.
March 4th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Hell yea, J law 2 stroke would rock, i do have to say that Baker kid kinda comes off as a idiot. Listen to him in the video again and tell me I’m wrong.
March 4th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Gotta wait for the magazine
March 4th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
for amatuer stuff i was never a fan of the rule but for the pro class it seems like a no brainer, you can do up a 250 2-smoke for short money, and have something to compete with a $90,000 pro-circuit kawi, i think it would help the privateers out so they dont have to drop $12,000 on a motor for a 250f to pull a bit, and then have it re-built twice a week
March 4th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
exactly
March 4th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
You guys did a similar article a year or two ago only with suzuki’s (guess it would be at the latest 06). All the lap times were extremely close. Each rider felt they were faster on the 450, and had the most fun on the 250 2-stroke.
March 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
wo baker is a really great kid who has a lot of faith while riding. maybe your the idiot? hes prolly just nervous to be interviewed him being an amateur rider
March 4th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Bullshit. The manufactures don’t want the two stroke making a comeback because it would be a big loss of money for them. Look how much more a four-stroke costs to maintain. Oil filters, valve adjustments, etc, etc. Now they have the fuel injection. Good luck fixing your own bike. Money rules all!!! Bastards.
March 4th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Today two stokes are behind in technology. It’s no mystery that a two stroke uses less parts,and DEFINATELY has the potential to be substantially lighter than the four stroke counterparts. If you were to compare the YZ125 vs the YZ250f you would see the YZ 125 is MUCH lighter. With the integration of DFI (direct fuel injection)into the YZ 125, it would end up being lighter, and have equal at least equal power thus putting the power to weight ratio in favor of the two strokes. So if the YZ125 has the potential to surpass a 250f than why are we competing 250CC two strokes against the lower powered, Heavier 250 four strokes. Chris, Swap, and Lutes whats your view on this?
March 4th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Today two stokes are behind in technology. It’s no mystery that a two stroke uses less parts,and DEFINATELY has the potential to be substantially lighter than the four stroke counterparts. If you were to compare the YZ125 vs the YZ250f you would see the YZ 125 is MUCH lighter. With the integration of DFI (direct fuel injection)into the YZ 125, it would end up being lighter, and have equal at least
March 4th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
equal power thus putting the power to weight ratio in favor of the two strokes.
March 4th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Im becoming a great fan of JLaw!
March 4th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
So if the YZ125 has the potential to surpass a 250f than why are we competing 250CC two strokes against the lower powered Heavier 250 four strokes. Chris, swap lutes?
March 4th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
So if the potential of the two strokes out weights that of the four stroke counterparts, than why are we having them compete.
March 4th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Lutes, Chris, Swap. Any opinions?
March 4th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
At “ryan”. Your saying it is a viable rule to compare 250 2-strokes against 250 4-strokes which is a 1 to 1 cc ratio, but then say lets see how a 300 2-stroke compare to a 450f. Personally I think it’s where the manufacturers put there focus on.
March 4th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
but then i also said a 200 would be more fair. based on what the test riders said, they both have their advantages which can even out the field.
March 4th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
jlaw is an american hero deffinetly not a bad guy hes deffinetly penalized much heavier even in the incedent with RV but a good way to make things fair would be to go back to the way things used to be 125 class(just 125 2strokes) 250 class(just 250 2strokes) and a open class (anything you wanna ride for the ppl who like to stroke it a few extra times)
March 4th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Great video swap, hope to see jlaw racing a two-stroke at the nationals..gotta get the fans there somehow
March 5th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Awesome video! Been waiting for this for a long time. I just got a 09 250 2stroke and got rid of the 250F. Cost way too much money to build a 4stroke and ur still short power off a stock 250 2stroke. No brainer get a 2 dinger
March 5th, 2009 at 12:55 am
mxa already did a comparison like a year ago. a little late arent we twmx?
March 5th, 2009 at 1:06 am
And If you look EVEN closer you’ll see that that chromed out pipe on the 250 two stroke isn’t stock either. It looks like both bikes we’re just running pipes… Probably to make the pro’s feel a little more at home on them.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:13 am
You know that a 250 2 stroke would kill a 250F… I mean look at the outdoors where Bubba gave Ricky a run and Bubba was on the KX250 and Ricky on the CRF450.
March 5th, 2009 at 2:40 am
they already make 144 2/
March 5th, 2009 at 2:41 am
gotta love the two-stroke sound
March 5th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Would 125cc 2-strokes still be allowed in the 250cc class, or would it be a 250-only class?
March 5th, 2009 at 5:30 am
its things like this that make u wounder if its time to stop supporting the sport… dont get me wrong here i love motocross and i am guilty of riding a 250f BUT i also own a 2005 yz125 and i can tell u that when its time to take care of business on bike maintenance the 125 is as easy as cutting a hot knife through butter. i open up the 250f and i dont even know what the hell im looking at!. my point being the easier it is to take care of the bike the more u would want to ride it… invest right? see thats where the brutal realty comes into play the oems dont give a shit about wether we can afford the sport or not they will continue to make bikes cost more and more until so many more people are driven out of the sport how is that good economically for our sport? the answer is easy to all this two stroke is cheaper less to invest into it and keep it for the long haul…but what ever man it is what it is.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:55 am
RY 629 twmx did a comparison before mxa like this except it was with normal riders, not the fast pros.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Sorry Ben, but you wrong, 05 bubba raced the 250 kx 2 stroke, and Ricky dit not race the CRF <- 05 R.C Was on the new Suzuki RMZ 450 for Makita Suzuki.
Also i just read a comment that bubba still have nightmares on hes old 250 2 stroke, but still ” the pro riders are so fit and good so if the AMA would aloud 250 2 strokes vs 250F of course majority of rider would ride the 250 2 stroke ? It has more power, and stronger, its a ” big bike ” much bigger than the 250F but like many people allready mentioned, the technology of the 2 strokes are 5 years old now, and the four strokes improves ever year. But i think the race fans would love to see the 2 strokes back again. But i think ” they only could be compeditive for a couple for more years, the 4 strokes are being such a good machine and the Manufactures dont make 2 strokes pretty much anymore, ” except ” KTM & Yamaha, KTM is the only one who make some engine improvements, Yamaha are not doing anything special to theirs. Suzuki have their last 2 strokes year 09 ” this year” and as we know kawasaki and Honda droped their 2 strokes since a couple of years ago.
Still i would love to, people would love to se a 2 stroke race at the highest level again, to say you would not want to see the 2 strokes, then you are not root motocross enthusiast at all.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Gotta give a thumbs up for FMF, who even made a new silencer for the 2 stroke lines!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:27 am
The 250 2 Stroke has the same power as a 450, as does the 125cc = 250f. A smaller 2 stroke will make the same power as a bigger 4 stroke. Nature of the beast. The power is made in different areas though, making a 4 stroke “easier” to ride. I ride a 01 YZ250 and a 250f doesnt stand a chance against a 250 2 smoke. Equal riders would put the 450 and the 250 2 stroke in the same class. Does nobody in the AMA understand that? 2 STROKE FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 am
2 Strokes forever!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 am
250 2 stroke and 450f are the same class. 250f vs 250 2 stroke, no chance.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:58 am
It won’t even the field out…The motor type is only part of it. There will still be the have and have nots and talent will rise to the top!!
March 5th, 2009 at 8:14 am
2-stroke is the name of the game.. love the handling and power.. aaah the smell of two-stroke smoke ;D
I own a 2006 ktm sx 125 and I’m so happy with it that i can’t even consider buying any of those four-strokes. Would love to have a 2009 Ktm sx 250 tho
two-strokes forever.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Do you even READ what you are replying to?
March 5th, 2009 at 9:12 am
How can this work not at brands are producing a 250cc two stroke this year? will ever one be on a Yamaha? or will the AMA allow 07-08 bikes to race?
March 5th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Sorry, I didn’t know. I haven’t picked up a MXA in many years. haha
March 5th, 2009 at 9:40 am
lolololol
so it’s okay to stick some 250fs in with 125s but when they want to even it out with 250 two strokes with 250fs you freak out.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Hey guys u know the NEW technology of 2 stroke are ready . but for snowmobile.
http://www.brp.com/en-US/Innovation/Technology/Rotax.2TEC.SDI.htm
March 5th, 2009 at 9:51 am
SMOUT u are an idiot the 450 would be the cr 500, they already did a test of the cr 500 vs the 450 and the 450 destroyed it. I dont like you for your commments and i dont think anyone else does either take a hike SMOUT
March 5th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Does this mean my 250 2stroke is officially a “lites bike”???
March 5th, 2009 at 10:42 am
the reason for the 4 strokes being strong better bikes is because there better for the enviornment which so many tree huggers now adays the company’s were forced to develope cleaner burning bikes a 2 stroke can be very strong still but the 4 have had all the newest tech the last 5 years
March 5th, 2009 at 10:47 am
and the 4 are alot essier for new riders to learn on cuz they can be riddin slow and bogged… i have a 4 stroke for my gf… haha… i have a 250 2 and a 450 they both have advantages i say let them race… put chad and bubba on a 2 stroke they will still be on the podium no sweat… 80% rider 20% machine pin it to win it
March 5th, 2009 at 10:48 am
why dont this new player work ?????
March 5th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Anyone remember when Mcgrath was getting holshots on his cr250 a few year ago in supercross? The rest of the feild was pretty much 450f’s. That was awesome!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I would like to see a CR 500 on a new frame. Some people don’t understand that TWO STROKE ENGINES HAVE MORE POWER THAN FOUR STROKE ENGINES.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:19 am
look at MXA, there is an article that says that they won’t be racing together. I’m a bit confused, are 2 strokes and 4 strokes going to race together in the nationals?
March 5th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Read the intro. It properly explains what happened.
March 5th, 2009 at 11:22 am
If you are comparing a 500cc two stroke to a 450 four stroke…..It’s time to cut your mullet off! Those things are dinosaurs. Go Jason Lawrence! This kid has style! He’s no corporate pussy like Dungey!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Yep!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:24 am
10 Years bud!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I don’t think so! The top ten guys would eat them alive!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:33 am
I wouldn’t hold your breath on the “long live two stroke rally” Its time to retire your cut off shorts, and trim the mullet back! The four stroke bikes are here, and there is no reason to allow two strokes in a perfectly competitive class! I don’t want to give a rider an excuse why a dill rod beat him on a juiced up oil burner! No good would come out of this! I said good day!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:35 am
haha!
March 5th, 2009 at 11:42 am
what does “faith” have to do with it?
March 5th, 2009 at 11:47 am
already done for years
check out the service honda cr500af
March 5th, 2009 at 11:49 am
mxa rules
March 5th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Im glad they made this rule now the 2 smokers will come back in play!
March 5th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
bring back the 500s
March 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
It’s a beast and not even made by honda
March 5th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
hahahaha he rides with faith? maybe the lord helps him!
March 5th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
haha no way dude, bakers is a real sick kid.
March 5th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
whens somebody a four-stroke fuel additive that will make thumper exhaust smell like a 2stroke’s?!?!
i’d buy it
March 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
i cant wait for this rule,I miss the old 2stroke days it just seemed more fun to watch than all 4 strokes.I hope this rule will get honda and every one else to bring back the 125s and 250s
March 5th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Bryce I agree with you man. The 2 strokes are better on the wallet, the time working on them, the weight, and the rebuild,ect,ect. Crashing on a 2 stroke is also more forgiving than a heavy 4 stroke landing on you!. The privateer is the hart of the sport and the companys seem to just don’t care about the little man anymore. The 2 stroke is what makes the 9 to 5 guy fill he can make the dream come true. But looking a the costs of the 4 strokes make me want to do bmx,mountain biking,or cycling. The best thing the ama should do is to also have 2 stroke classes at the supercrosses and the nationals. I’m starting to get pissed off at the sport period!!. The indie track was great! you saw the close tight racing like it was in the 80’s. No run away crap!. Laraco design track is the great equlizer!!. Old school rules!!!.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
One thing no one has mentioned is the sound.. 4-strokes are extremely loud and the sound can carry over long distance. This has put at lot of tracks out of business completely due to the inability to adhere to local sound ordinances..
The higher pitched 2-Stroke sound isn’t able to carry over a distance and is less overall “noise pollution” than the thumpers. If there aren’t any places to ride left after awhile… what’s the point?
March 5th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Dude it will never happen!!!! Why would the manufactures make two bikes for one class????? It would be cool for them have each rider ride each bike in the nationals. First moto 250 two strokes then 450 four strokes in the second moto….same for the 125/250F class. Or have an endurance race where you have the pro class rider ride three laps on a 50cc, three on a 80cc, three on a 125cc, three laps on a 250cc, three laps on a 450cc……then a 100 yard dash up a hill in full gear!!!!!
March 5th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Dude yea that track was the best!
March 5th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
i know someone who put a cr 500 motor in a new frame. the bike was super fast. i would still personally ride a 450 though over that bike.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
J-Law needs to lay off the weed and stop getting beat up off the track.
March 5th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Ya MXA is the best!… if you want a magazine 1/32″ thick that you can read in 5 min and be board with
March 5th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
ya and also bring back the mullet along with it. long live the dune goons!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
that would actually be a really funny race to watch. if ever race was like that though people would think moto racers are a bunch of clowns
March 5th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
ya you seem to have all the answers koop. i bet hel take your idea into consideration. thanks for posting it!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
if the lord is helping him, he and dungey should team up they would make a good team. they could be called “the faith riders”
March 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
really scott? do you remember stewert on his 250 two stroke outdoors? the only reason he wasn’t winning races was cause he was racin against the goat. I think top three in each series would still be top three on a two stroke.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
i completely agree. I’v been watching video’s of malcom stewert and other amatuer guys on 250 2 strokes all week and its sooooooooo sick. just the sound alone makes me happy
March 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
yup, i race more offroad then moto, and there’s more two strokes than four strokes at the races. especially the tighter ones.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
idk why anyone would wanna ride a 125 against 250f’s or two strokes
March 5th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
but look at the privateers, like someone said above, they have to cough up TONS of money to stay competative with the pro-cirtuit and other factory teams. ontop of what they are already working hard for in order to just get to the races. 250 two strokes cheaper and still competative. i’d love to see this rule take effect.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
for sure!!!! best race i’ve seen in years.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
ur funny. not.
March 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
I am all knowing.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
baker is chill i ride with him all the time and he isnt stupid and he is really fast
March 5th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
im talkin to steve179
March 5th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
makes me want a yz250……….
March 5th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
and bubba on a 125 against 250fs. still killed it. he was faster than the guys in the 250 class even.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
the rm is such a great bike. i love mine. even the “shifting tap dance” makes the bike fun.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
you’re right, if you call the ~47hp of the RM250 the same as the ~55hp of the RM-Z450 :P. then there’s the monster KTM with 60hp.
March 5th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Hey Don, can yousmack some of these young punks, the ones who just come on these boards and bash the riders that would smoke them all day whether they were riding 85 against their 250F.
March 5th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
i agree. my rm250 seized in the sand dunes in november. walked it back to the trailer (with the help of my dad and my brother) and tore it down when i got home. there was a chunk of piston missing above the top ring (thank God it didn’t do anything to the cylinder or head. i was surprised). got a new piston and rings, buttoned her back up and she’s runnin like a champ now. grand total: $140 for piston, rings, wrist pin, and gaskets.
i also agree with you about larocco’s track design. great race.
March 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
yeah this is b.s. traction or no traction. any time that a condition exists at a race this year that make jumps hard to make on the 250f, the 2 stroke is gonna blow them away. a 250 2stroke is capable of anything a 450 can do.
March 6th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Okay for everone to know a pros 450f against a pros 250 two stroke the 450f would kill it. So thats why they put it in the 250f class because a pros 250f and a 250 two stroke are about the same when everything is done. So stop making it a big deal think it going to be unfair and stuff its stupid. Stop complaining about it. There the same. Thats why when rc got his 450 bubba mobing the hell out of his 250 two stroke couldnt when because it wasnt fast enof. Pros 250f and 250 two stroke are about the same. So stop crying about it
March 6th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Once they get those suspensions dialed in and tune up the engines a bit, I’m sure many will find the smokers to their liking.
March 6th, 2009 at 4:08 am
a “horsepower limit” for both classes! like 45 for the 250 class and 60 for the 450 class for example. two stroke,four stroke allowed in both the classes, it levels out the playing field….this could be enforced with a
mobile dyno from the ama.then an all out run what you brung open class….. man this would sure give everyone a lot fairer chance. im sorry,but as it is the privateers will never beat the top factory guys unless the factory guy breaks or crashes.then thats not winning,thats just luck handing you the checkers. let the factory guys keep their trick suspension and high salaries,paid travel and rockstar lifestyle,that in itself is worth the making the grade. its like family car vs. nasacar,you wanna be like nascar…bring out the restrictor plates and lets see who has the real talent! wake up ama…its unfair period.
March 6th, 2009 at 4:27 am
250 two stroke all day
March 6th, 2009 at 4:28 am
horsepower limit,both classes,problem solved! bring back the two strokes
March 6th, 2009 at 4:32 am
hp limit,250/450`s two vs. four strokes same wieght limit.enens out the whole field
March 6th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Makes me wanna ride a 2 stroke again. but just like everyone else, i sold out for the 4 stroke. i really hope the rule passes. it could be a really good thing for our sport.
March 6th, 2009 at 10:21 am
two stroke!!!!
March 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
you guys are just upset because you sold your ring a ding long ago. Now you can race em again. keep to your 4 strokes sell outs!!
March 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
WAKE UP AMA WE WANT @_STROKES BACK NOW!!!!!
STOP ruining our sport. let the3 ama members vote.
Cheaper faster better….Bring back the two stroke we cant afford 4 strokes in this econemy.
March 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
“First and foremost, and hear me on this, four-stroke motocross bikes are not better then two-strokes. No way. They aren’t futuristic. They aren’t high-tech. They aren’t the sliced bread version of motocross engines. Just the opposite. Plain and simple, they are bigger. That is their technology contribution to motocross. And it is because of their greater displacement that they are even remotely able to compete. The four-stroke hasn’t changes racing, fixed problems or introduced innovative solutions. What is has done is raise the cost, weight, sound levels and complexity or racing (while reducing the number of people that can afford the sport). If you want to see the engine of the future, allow 450cc two-strokes in the AMA 450 National class.”
-Jody Weisel
March 2009 Motocross Action Magazine
March 6th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
mxa rules !
March 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
its called oil
March 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I agree
March 6th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
your an idiot. the ama already allows 07-08 bikes to race. theres guys on 08 honda 450s vuz they didnt have time to test the 09
March 6th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
they also cost way more to make
March 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
T-Bake has you fooled.
March 7th, 2009 at 1:31 am
You’ve posted twice you think he’s an idiot, and clearly he is not, please move on.
March 7th, 2009 at 2:11 am
In New Zealand(Ben Townleys home) we race 250f with 2 strokes. 250f win
March 7th, 2009 at 2:14 am
In New Zealand we race 250f with 250 2strokes for our nationals. 250F have dominated with only one or two 2 strokers in the top 10. But they are a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain and reliable
March 7th, 2009 at 8:13 am
theyre not the same.. for one thing, the i was reading the 09 bike shootout, and the kawasaki felt the fastest because it hit the hardest but it wasnt really any faster… same with the 2 stroke.. it makes more power, no argument, its science.. and it also feels 5 times as powerfull because it just hits so hard. like jlaw said, if you know how to ride both just as well, youll be faster on a 2stroke for sure!, but if you dont like a 2 stroke, youll be faster on a 4.
March 7th, 2009 at 8:20 am
what you guys dont get is its nt the horsepower! its about how your ride. a 4t can be in 1 2 or 3 in a turn, but the 2t must be in 2 (just an example of 1 specific turn)… thats whatt makes it faster, you could be in 2 on a 4t and use no clutch but be in 2 on the 2t and have to work the clutch the whole turn, thats what makes the diffference.. of course a 250 2t would friggin kill a 250 4t in a straight, half throttle, but in the turns its totally different. and the 250 4t is lighter than the 250 2 t anyway. everyone thinks that the 2t is lighter, go on the yamaha website and look, at 125 2t is lighter than 250 4t and a 250 2t is lighter than 450 4t, but a 250 vs. 250 he 4t is lighter…
March 7th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Hey bud,
If you are a fan of 2 strokes you should support this all the way. We have had the four stroke revolution and now we need the two stroke revolution. And this could be it. I know i would go out and buy a 250 two stroke the second this rule applied. They have got to do it to make it easier for guys to compete against the factory teams on a budget. IT makes sense. Has anyone tried lobbying more to try and get this to happen???
March 7th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Bring the smoker back!!! The sound of a crisp 2 stroke leaves me with goosebumps everytime. I agree with…..(quote from 4fity)
WAKE UP AMA WE WANT @_STROKES BACK NOW!!!!!
STOP ruining our sport. let the3 ama members vote.
Cheaper faster better….Bring back the two stroke we cant afford 4 strokes in this econemy.
March 7th, 2009 at 10:46 am
thats a good idea
March 7th, 2009 at 10:47 am
totally agree i can spin a faster lap on a two stroke 250 any day over a 250f
March 7th, 2009 at 11:59 am
That Baker kid isnt retarded, him and J Law just got stoned before the interview
March 7th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
baker rides like a damn goon,revving the nut’s off the bike.
March 7th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Hell yeah they allow the 250 2t to race the 250Fs. They should also make a rule that the teams should all run castor oil mmmmm the smell of castor oil…
Anyone that says EPA killed the 2t is full of $h.. If you cared to notice the F’s are also red sticker in cali so what difference does it make if its 2t or 4t in closed track racing. They both pollute the same since the 4t has valve overlap dumping unburnt hydrocarbons out the exhuast.
Notice Coombs didnt say that the rule WONT be changed , he just stated that the timing is wrong now and they will reconsider the rule change next year… AND THEY WILL change the rule.
2t ALL the way!
March 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
dude seriously???? allowing more horse power 250 2 strokes against 250fs is bad??!!!?? well then y isnt a 450f vs a 250 stroke bad its the same thing it was unfair.
March 7th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
that wooda been so sick to see 250 2 strokes killin out there in the pro nats. it would help the sport out and make it more competitive.
March 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Donn and Jason probably just kicked a sesh
March 7th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
lets just shut up and make a 3-stroke. happy now?
March 7th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
If you would put Bubba on a right tuned 125 right now, he would smoke past anyone!!! It’s all about bike set up and rider preference and skill. I saw a couple of times when skilled guy on 125 was blasting past guys on 450s .
March 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
They not the same for sure. I own KX250 and sometimes i ride my boys rm250f. Completely different bikes: they powerband is not even close.. my bike hits way harder and revs out to the moon comeparing to smooth 250 4stroke engine which comes up much shorter involving much more shifting. The traction ability i would give to 4 strokes though. It all comes to riders skill, preference, track and bike set up. I never understood those people that say that 2stroke is junk or the other way around I have lots of fun riding both thats why I’m thinking of adding a 450F to my garage. I definitely would like to see J-law on 2smoker!!!
March 8th, 2009 at 3:54 am
man the 250f iers are just gonna avta step up if they r worried
March 8th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Awesome! I love the sound of that two Stroke!!!
March 8th, 2009 at 10:33 am
i love listening to all these kids that dis 2 stokes and have never ridden one! think about it…250 and 250f, they are the same dispacment!!! the 250 makes alot more power than the 250f you cant argue that…so if they have the same dispacement and the 250f has a conciderable less amount of power how can you argue its better… a 250 is a 250!!! so all you magazine reading dumbasses should go out there and test yourself…oh yea i loved when baker picked the 4 strokje befor riding one and said hes never ridden a 2 stoke 250 then he tested them both and sang a different tune…
March 8th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
250 2stroke has twice the power of a 250 4stroke
2stroke should battle again with 450’s
March 8th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
travis is the man
March 9th, 2009 at 12:20 am
horsepower limit in each class….level out the field and choose what you wish to ride 2 or 4
March 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I think thats crap to put the 250 2stroke in with the 250f’s there making what like 7 or 8 more horsepower then any stock 250f and yamaha is the only one producing it???? hmmm sounds kinda cheep for the honda suzuki and kawi sponsored riders dont you think???
March 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
ur an idiot
March 9th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Had the opportunity to ride the KTM “Ride Day” at this same track (Perris)a few months ago. KTM was great, I rode 9 bikes in total including back to back 300 XC 2stroke vs. 505 XC-F and the 250 SX 2stroke vs. the 450 SX-F. The 300 was scary fast when it hit the pipe and pumped up my arms quick. I did 3 laps and pulled off thinking it takes more of a man to race this thing and im 6′ 180 lbs vet expert rider that races locally 1x or 2x a month! The 250 SX was just plain fun, more work than the 450 SX-F to ride but fun. For me, personal opinion, the 4 Stroke was hands down, clearly the winner. If I was in rock-star condition and needed every little edge I could get, the 2stroke would be the winner but for overall ride-a-bility and fun, 4stroke 100%.
March 10th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Man I just sold my yz250 last fall, seeing this video makes me regret it! anybody got an 08′ they wanna sell
March 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
long live 2 stroke
March 10th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
I just wonder if you write enough replies, the box will go off the screen.
March 10th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Now its time to bust out the service honda cr500 and kx500 against those 450’s.I still hate the ama for killing the 2stroke,they suck.Bring back the 125’s to they sound the best.
March 11th, 2009 at 5:58 am
If you never rode a 250 2 stroke, then dont put it down. You have to be in alot better shape to ride a 2 stroke anyways. 4 strokes help the lazy rider go faster but a 2 stroke will whoop your ass in a heartbeat. Youre just mad cause you got passed by a smokin bike!
March 11th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
well i went from racing an 85cc 2stroke then i went strait to a 250 4stroke an now im 15 anan stil on a 250 but i have rode a 125 b 4 an i like them but i think four strokes r beter because of there smoothness of the power !! (team spot on racing)
March 11th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Well i reakon a 250 2 stroke would be alot better in the 250 class they are faster if you can ride them properly. but 2 strokes all the way
( Team meds racing)
March 11th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
i think 250 2 stroke is the way to go. its a lot smother it has alot more power and if you can ride one of them quick you will beat a 250f any day
ah yeah look at stewart he cains up on 250 2 stroke when he used to race it.
( team Meds Racing)
March 11th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Jks ted man :P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:Plol:):):):):) :S :P:P:P:P
March 11th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
i think t-bake panic revs enough haha.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
yeah dude i just bought a cr125 of my teammate. that thing is sick! i thought i was fast on my 250f but after riding the 2 stroke my lap times are blown away. cant wait for the southern all stars series so i can test it out!
March 12th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
There clearly not the same, and by the way 450’s have killed 250 strokers, if you hadnt noticed.
i went from a cr250 to a crf 250 and i was surprised at the the bottom end,but on the straights it just felt slow!! peak power the cr hauled ass, you can just keep the 2stroke wide open, where as you need to ride the 250f through the gears, and be abit smarter.
2strokes are alot of fun, im currently on a ktm 125sx and its a blast to ride. but probably not very competetive, but im never gonna make a living out of riding a bike, so for me its all about fun!!
March 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
well someones knows there specs… i prefer spending time training on the racetrack rather than looking up statistics on line to figure out which gear im aloud to be in, in a turn depending on what type of bike im on
March 12th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I love you.
March 12th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
hey bung hole have you ever ridin an 500? there heavy, dont handle, they suck but the power. you go out an race on one an when you get dead last ill just laugh at you for being stupid
March 13th, 2009 at 2:20 am
i dont like baker either. he’s a squid. j’law and the eeeeyyyyyot could dominate outdoors and the ama knows it. need i say more???
March 13th, 2009 at 2:31 am
I’ve got the Best Idea of all. Lets have another class strictly for 250 2strokes. It would bring in more fans, more riders, more racing, and keep the 2 strokes alive. theyre fun and light and in the right hands can be lethal.
March 14th, 2009 at 3:21 am
same for the reason that a 450 is way easier to ride (from experience) than a cr500… the matter of the fact is that a 250 2 stroke has more power than a 250f hands down. but the delivery of that power is what makes a bike rideable (or unrideable). i think it would be a fair rule. a 2 stroke rider has to have much more technique than a 4 stroke rider. it all depends what bike suits what rider. it doesnt matter what motor your bike has if you cant hang onto it then your not gonna pull your best lap time.
March 16th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
j law is a bad two strokes for life!!!!
March 18th, 2009 at 12:23 am
4 stroke make slow guys faster and spend more…..2 stroke require A bit of finesse.
March 18th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
They should remove all the bikes and only have 125’s then it would take real skill like hitting Laroccos Leap on a 125.
March 19th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Man ,there ain’t nothing like the sound of a full gate of 250 2 strokes.The only thing better,a gate full of open class 2 strokes.Here’s to the smell and sound and blue clouds in the pits on race day morning.Long live the 2 stroke.I love mine.
March 24th, 2009 at 9:09 am
yeh but think about it.. once the factory teams are finished with the 250f’s they haul ass and you cant improve on a two stroke as much so it wouldnt really be that much difference
March 24th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Bring the 2 Stroke back!!!!!
Now!!!!!
Keep Government(AMA) out of our sport!!!
Stupid politicians!
Next think you know, they will ban cycles from being sold because of use of lead parts!?!
This is liberal government looking out for our best interests!
Government at their best!!!
District 14 Motocross rider
March 25th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I think it would be sikk to have the true 250 class, i mean it would give the privateer local boys a chance or some what of an equalizer to the factory tuned 250f’s. I dont see a problem with it at all other than the fact that a couple factories halted the making of a two stroke.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
After growing up riding 2 strokes, there is nothing better than sound and smell of the Nationals back in the day…yeah, I am a product of the 80’s. There should at least be a 2 stroke class at the Nationals…..could even be a support class for the local riders at each track. I’m still torn over whether to include them with the 4 strokes. There are long enough breaks in the program to be able to fit a couple motos in even with the women’s motos. Sure would beat watching the track crews smooth out sections of a “national” track for an hour or so…
March 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Its almost off the screen
March 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
TWMX sucks
March 26th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
KKK
March 26th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
2 strokes are dumb
March 29th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
it all depends on the rider thats like saying a 85 two stroke could compete with a 100 four storke when overall the 85 2 stroke will destroy the 100 four stroke
March 30th, 2009 at 5:10 am
If too stroeks are dumm tehn whet dues thet make u?
March 30th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
A friend of mine has a crf250 that is full mod. he has dumped thousands of dollars into it. It pulls almost like a 450. A stock 250f would stand no chance against a 250, but they are far from stock. At redbud last year most the guys were doing larocco’s leap leap in the lites class. No way, not on a stock 250f. And i’ve had a cr250, crf450, and i’ve spent alot of time riding a stock crf250. Personally i’ve never rode a two stroke completed moded out, but i think the 250f would end up on top. Those things haul when modified. they are not reliable and expensive, but they haul.
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
every one knows that a 450 would spank a 2 smoker? dude, give your head a shake. Why did JSR crush everyone on a 2 stroke racing maxxed out 450’s in his last race???? 2 strokes absolutely destroy any and all 4 strokes. Buy one and see if you can hang on son.
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
you can’t afford to spell check either -
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
I race in Canada on a ‘07 yz250 and i have to deal with the jacked and stacked 450’s as well as the big KTM 525’s . Now tell me i don’t have my work cut out for me. They are talking about implementing the 250 rule up here in northern alberta, ca. or an all 250 2 stroke class.
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
MINGGGGaaaaaaa
April 2nd, 2009 at 4:44 pm
J-Law’s my boyee.
April 2nd, 2009 at 11:09 pm
you can’t compare the two there totally differant bikes. and it all depends on the track
April 8th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
such a crisp 2 stoke! mmmm sounds nice.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:35 am
2 strokes are the best by far. the factories are scared to let them back in competition.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Wow someone is passionate about mxa… “Anonymous” must stand for “mxa editor secretly posting on twmx.com”
April 14th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
personally i think that its all rider prefrence. i have ridden 2 strokes for most of my racing career and love every min. of it but the 4 strokes are stepping up so it take a skilled rider to handle a 2 stroke up aginst the 4. but what ever the do i’ll continue riding the 2 stroke so……go big or not at all
April 15th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
ok he said that he has never ride a 250 2 strock and at the end he said he had riden one a geln helln he is an idiot
April 20th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Really there scott? Are you serious? Mullet? hmmmm….. http://www.servicehonda.com/cr500af05.html
April 20th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Really dude? Really? Is 213 really all that heavy there bunghole? Oh no wait you are talking about a mid-eighties 500 huh? Ok I forgive you for being a complete waste of oxygen. Maybe your dad should have feltched your ass. Personally I am the one laughing at you for being so stupid. Maybe you should have half a clue what you are talking about before you open your mouth. http://www.servicehonda.com/cr500af05.html
April 20th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I think the correct question would be have you ever ridden a 500? Last I checked 213 wasn’t that heavy there bung hole.
http://www.servicehonda.com/cr500af05.html
Maybe you should get a half decent idea of what you are running your mouth about before it opens there bung hole. Personally I am laughing at you for being stupid, you see it is people like you that bring this sport down, and make the rest of us look bad. The ignorant, un-educated, know it all’s.
Bung hole??? Are you serious? Your dad should have feltched you.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
If the 250cc class happens next year the 2-stroke will dominate the 4-stroke. They've tried it with snowmobiles and there is no comparison, the 2-stroke rules in snow land. I would love to see it happen in the nationals, it would help keep the costs down for the privateers. 2-strokes are much cheaper to maintain than the 4-stroke. Also when it comes to the new noise levels that will be enforced in 2011, it is much easier to make HP and still meet the decibel limit with a to stroke. The 4-stroke needs free flowing exhaust to make more power which equals more noise and much more money to make power and meet the new restrictions. I've seen to many tracks close down with the noise from the 4-strokes, all the owners say the same thing, the 4-strokes are too loud.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Even though it is easier to ride a 4-stroke, the smoker will always stay close to may heart. I've got two boys in the 85cc class right now, and they love the 2-stroke, they both rode 4-stroke race bikes in the 65cc class and did very well, but they are hooked now. Up here in the north land the amateurs are winning with the 250cc 2-strokes, some of the top guys have made the switch. Hopefully the manufactures will get back on board or I will have to break my life long association with Suzuki and make a switch to another brand. Can you imagine the 450cc class with the big bore 2-strokes ripping up the tracks again!!!! That would be sweeeeet!!!! Braaaaaaaaaaappp!!!!!!!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
I bought an RM250 about 2 years ago, then proceeded to sell my 4-strokes. At Christmas, I bought one of the Service Honda 500's, and there's no other bike that'll match that machine. Not even close. It's smokers for me from here on out.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:25 am
I have a 2009 YZ 250 (Very hard to find) and I love it!!!
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 am
Thats funny even with a 450 he couldnt beat him
May 26th, 2009 at 2:13 am
4 strokes suck and they should totally let the 2 strokes back in its your lose if they would ride a four stroke in that class and they should man up and drive a 2 stroke
June 6th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
wish i could ride as good and fast as they do
June 6th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
dude you're completely right this is bs
June 6th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
who doesnt love that sound
June 6th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Way better accleracion and top end
June 6th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Way better accleracion and top end than 4 stroke
June 6th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
every ones so obsessed w/ the 4 stroke Thats why its better yamaha spent more time on the 2 stroke it would have a lot better suspension and there wouldn't even by chance be a race between the 2 bikes
June 6th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Makes a lot more sense then letting a 4 stroke twice the size of a two stroke race with them. Two strokes would be alive and well were it not for the advantage given to them by the AMA rulemakers.
Nothing would be better then seeing CR500's back on the track.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
but its ok for a 450cc 4 to race against a 250cc 2 stroke even though the 4 stroke has more horsepower???!?!?! At least if they have the same displacment its a level playing field, there is NO OTHER motorsport which gives different types of engines a power handicap its just Motocross and its just wrong
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 am
but its ok for a 450cc 4 stroke to race against a 250cc 2 stroke even though the 4 stroke has more horsepower???!?!?! At least if they have the same displacment its a level playing field, there is NO OTHER motorsport which gives different types of engines a power handicap its just Motocross and its just wrong
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:32 am
but its ok for a 450cc 4 stroke to race against a 250cc 2 stroke even though the 4 stroke has more horsepower???!?!?! At least if they have the same displacment its a level playing field, there is NO OTHER motorsport which gives different types of engines a higher displacement handicap its just Motocross and its just wrong
October 9th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
CAN U PUT A YZF250 MOTOR IN A 2000 YZ 125 FRAME
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 pm
what are you talking about? what power argument?
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
why doesn't everybody see your logic westyz? these people constantly preach that four strokes are better, then in the same breath complain that 2t's have more HP, cc for cc! if they allowed the 2t's of equal cc in the lites class, four strokes would get even more improvement to try and keep up. It's a win-win for everybody!
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pm
four strokes aren't better, they are bigger . period. smoothness comes from the rider, which by training more on a 125 2t you would become.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
youn can compare them. they are both 250cc motocross bikes, and should be in the same class.
November 14th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Stop crying and twist the throttle a bit harder. They race them together in New Zealand and the 4 stroke is usually a little quicker!!!
November 19th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Sure a 500 can race against a 450! If you want to work real hard and still loose.
Do you even know what your talking about Smout?
November 20th, 2009 at 10:06 am
dude you need to send your suspension off to pro circuit and have it set right for the track that your riding.You wont be swapin. Sounds like your undersprung and settings are off